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Univ. ‘appalled’ by fan behavior

Published: Friday, February 5, 2010

Updated: Friday, February 5, 2010

West Virginia University will not take student seating away at Monday’s men’s basketball game against Villanova.

Instead, to combat bad student behavior, the University will videotape the student section during games and increase security starting Monday, said WVU Vice President for Student Affairs Ken Gray.

"We’re entering a zero-tolerance phase for all fans," Gray said.

Discussions focused on not just students, but all fans. Gray said if a fan is caught throwing items on the court, he or she could lose season tickets.

"This type of conduct won’t be tolerated here at WVU, and if more sanctions need to be imposed, we will discuss those at the appropriate time," Gray said.

Fans who see any inappropriate behavior or unruly conduct are advised to text "AID" to 94597.

The University released an official statement stating it was "appalled and embarrassed by the fan behavior at the Pitt men’s basketball game."

WVU President James P. Clements said the conversations are not finished and decisions are not final. He said changes to the plan could be added up to Monday in preparation for the Villanova game.

"There are probably 15 proposals people are discussing that go from more cameras, more policemen, the amount of students in the lower section and many more," Clements said. "I don’t know that many of us want to limit the number of students at the Coliseum, though."

Students threw items onto the court following a controversial call during Wednesday’s game against Pittsburgh, prompting WVU head coach Bob Huggins to take the microphone and call those actions "stupid."

Later in the game, a Pittsburgh assistant coach was hit with a quarter by a fan. The coach had a noticeable bruise on his face after the game.

Following the game, the incident received national attention including segments on ESPN’s SportsCenter.

"Because of our competitiveness and our national ranking, it’s going to be the first thing on when you turn on SportsCenter talking about WVU and bad fan behavior," Clements said. "We don’t want that."

At Wednesday morning’s basketball practice facility groundbreaking, Clements took time in his speech to commend Huggins for his actions during the game.

He later elaborated on the situation.

"We’ve got to find a way to make this an environment where there’s a lot of energy and have a lot of impact on the game but do it in a classy way," Clements said.

At the groundbreaking, WVU Athletic Director Ed Pastilong said he expected to hear from Big East Conference officials on the matter.

Big East Director of Communications Chuck Sullivan said the behavior was not at the level for conference officials to immediately step in with a punishment, however.

He said normal procedure for the conference is to wait until a university has made a decision on how it would try to correct the behavior and discuss further if a university’s decision was not suitable.

"I don’t know that Pitt has reached out formally, but it could take up to a few days for information gathering to take place,"
Sullivan said.

He added WVU and the Big East would likely have informal conversations about an issue like this and discuss how to resolve it without the conference forced to make a decision.

The Mountaineer Maniacs will send out a form to members asking students how to improve the behaviors.

"The general student is not happy with what’s going on," said Mountaineer Maniacs Director Cassie Werner. "We’re just going to have to decide as a student section and a University that there’s certain behavior that we’re not going to tolerate."

She said the game Monday against Villanova is chance "to show that Mountaineer Nation is much better than this."

WVU’s Student Government Association President Jason Zuccari agreed.

"The number one priority is the safety of our fans, the players and everyone involved," Zuccari said. "As students, we have to step up. We don’t want to cost us a game for the team."

At meetings involving officials from the University and Athletic Department organized by Gray, sources said it was decided to limit the number of students attending the WVU/Villanova basketball game Monday to 1,600. The students at the Pitt basketball game Wednesday totaled 3,300.

Gray said the group talked about a range of options, including decreasing the number of students. There were no talks of completely banning students for a game, he added.

"But as you can see from the final decision that was made, that was not the decision," Gray said.

No student officials, including Student Government Association members or Mountaineer Maniacs, were in attendance at the meeting. Gray said he had a meeting with those students earlier in the week and didn’t feel it necessary to include them in Wednesday’s all-day meeting.

Clements said students have to be involved in the process.

"If you’re talking about affecting the students, you have to have student input," he said. "In order to solve this, it’s going to take a community effort."

Sources said the decision was reversed later with support from top administrators at the University.
 

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26 comments

Fred
Sun Feb 7 2010 16:15
I am an alumnus who lives in Cincinnati. I have been to football games at Indiand, Kentucky, Cincinnati, Concord, Virginia Tech and WVU. What happened at the football games at WVU over the years is disgraceful. Fans from other schools were pelted with debris. Bands were pelted with debris. Teams such as Virginia Tech and Miami stopped playing WVU. What happened at the basketball game with Pitt was also disgraceful.The minority who threw debris onto the floor should be identified and banned from games. Coach Huggins brings an exciting brand of basketball to WVU. He filled the Fifth Third Arena at UC. His view that throwing objects is stupid is correct.
Anonymous
Fri Feb 5 2010 18:27
Two suggestions to fix the situation:

1) Implement the same ticket policy that WVU has for football games to get students tickets in the lower student section. That way the real fans, like myself, don't have to be represented by the idiots that are presently encouraged to show up by the administration. You know, the same administration that created the new seating arrangement this season. The way it is now, students are encouraged to cut class and wait out in the cold and get drunk to get the few good seats.

Yes, in case you didn't know, they took/stole 2000 of the best student seats, and made a shady deal with the "Maniacs" so that now we would have a much smaller, more crowded bleacher style seating closer to the floor. This was done with the excuse/trade off of giving WVU a more intimidatiing fan presence...and you can see where that got us. More stuff thrown on the floor, and "bad word" chants closer to the TV announcers mikes.

2) Give the students back our old seats. I go to all the home games, and last year I sat in decent seats every game. This year I have had to sit in the nose bleed section, or stand in the aisles because I'm not willing to cut classes and stand outside in the cold all day or all night to wait for the precious few good seats that are left for the students now.

That is the story no one is talking about. Cui bono? Follow the money. That is the real reason we are having these issues this season...because of the greedy decision to make more money, and kick the real responsible student fans out of our traditional seats. And the same folks who made that bad decision are now blaming the students, and threatening them with cutting student attendance even more (so they can sell off more of our seats).

I don't buy it, and as a WVU student I don't appreciate being blamed for something some stupid rowdy fans did, who may not have even been students. Certainly not the person who threw the coin...somebody knows who that person is. That person should be arrested and charged with assault. What if it was a Pitt fan, and WVU was penalized with a two shot technical foul? Clemens , Gray and the mainstream media would have to eat (some of) their words if that was the case.

You want to teach some responsibility and maturity? Make the individual persons responsible for their actions. Don't blame the students as a whole.

P.S. If you don't want to hear a cuss word, you probably shouldn't go to public sporting events.

Matt Marcus
WVU Sophmore

Anonymous
Fri Feb 5 2010 15:56
Bottom line is - WVU is known more for it's rowdy fans than it will ever be known for its athletic accomplishments. Everytime the backwoods hillbilly/redneck/white trash reputation starts to fade and the Mountaineer Athletes start to shine - something like this happens and takes you right back to where you started. All anyone is asking - fellow students, alumni, citizens of WV - is that you grow up and show some decorum so when we tell people "I went to WVU" they don't laugh.
Anonymous
Fri Feb 5 2010 14:52
Anonymous 12:27,

I sincerely appreciate the time and effort you took to get off your high horse and respond to my previous post. Perhaps if you would get off your knees for a moment to actually read my post, you could lift yourself out of the fog of confusion you are obviously surrounded by. Let's examine some of the things you things you responded with:

1. "First, let me bend at the knee in reverence to all of the great things that exist because the students are enrolled at WVU. There wouldn't be a town there without you. The state of West Virginia wouldn't have anything without you. It's so easy to forget that. Do as you please because we are all so very grateful that you're, well, just there." and "You are the active, living face of WVU."

I'm not exactly sure who you are referring to?? I am not an enrolled student nor do I currently live in West Virginia. This should have been apparent when I identified myself as an alumni. However, the fact that you cannot appreciate (and your efforts to belittle) the contribution that WVU and the students provide the state is truly as embarrassing as the transgressions at the game. I wonder what steps you have personally taken to correct this "epic problem," aside from continually spewing hate towards the state you claim to care about.

2. "Second, you're right. What happened "back in the day" - all the chants, couch burnings, drunken fights and otherwise bad behavior relieves everyone today for any responsibility for their own actions"

I am no stranger to sarcasm. Unfortunately, your reading comprehension has failed you yet again. I NEVER called for the relief of responsibility, nor condoned any the fans behavior. In contrast, I labeled the behavior as "distasteful and obnoxious" for which there was "no excuse." I simply pointed out that this behavior is not unique to WVU and the culture of disrespect stems from generations of fans and alumni that bask in their nostalgic glory. It doesn't make it right, but its the way it is.

3. "This was not about a coach being hit by whatever was thrown from whatever section of the stands . . . This is about a fan culture that cannot differentiate between rowdy and violent."

I think in retrospect even you can appreciate what a hasty generalization and overstatement this is. I refuse to paint an entire fan base as violent because 3 people throw trash on the court at a basketball game. Do you really think our fan culture is based on the intent to cause bodily harm to opposing sports teams? Do you think a majority of fans wishes death and injury on Pitt? You couldn't be more delusional or further from the truth.

I hope you are happy that your negative perception of the university and state has become a reality. Your persistent attempts to run us further into the ground disgusts me. If you are looking to move elsewhere, I hear the property is Oakland, PA is dirt cheap....You get a big child please

Anonymous
Fri Feb 5 2010 14:51
First off I am a WVU Alumnus as of 2001. I remember being in the Stadium during the infamous Golf Ball and Whiskey bottle incident. I will say this, there is no excuse for this behavior. If its a student, expel them from the game, take away any credits they'd earn for this spring semester, and put them on at least an 18 month ban from any and all WVU functions such as sporting events, concerts etc and if they commit a criminal act in the process, prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. There is no excuse and no defense for criminal or delinquent behavior at any sporting event. Period. We can argue over the fowl mouth cheers due to first amendment issues, but you do not have a write to threaten the players, coaches, refs, or other fans at the game with possible hitting with objects of any kind.
WVUGator
Fri Feb 5 2010 13:31
I am an alumnus of WVU with both my B.S. and M.S. When I was in school, the basketball team made one run to the Sweet 16 with Catlett as a coach. It is sad that one or two fools have to ruin this for the students. The student body should be feel lucky to have successful teams in both football and basketball. More repeat events of what happened on Wednesday and the student sections will be moved to the parking lot and Huggs will assure to that. He will not tolerate throwing objects on the playing floor.

For the sake of our university, our degrees, our state and self image, if someone sees anybody throwing anything, have the ushers throw them out of the game. Then, try them in the court of law and if found guilty expel them from the university.

Anonymous
Fri Feb 5 2010 13:07
Good attempt at a "liberal bias" switcheroo, realist. Sorry this is the reputation the U has. Any "little thing" just reinforces it. And we're not talking about being PC. We're talking about repeated idiotic fan behavior.
Realist
Fri Feb 5 2010 12:46
The press has a way of sensationalizing every minute detail. The exposure factor...it was Pitt/WVU on national TV, heightened the outcry by the press, administrators, alumni. Too, some of these same individuals are hugging trees, against coal miners earning a living in our very state, against the death penalty (until one close to them suffers a tragic death at the hands of a maniacal murderer). Gasp!! Gasp!! Oh, my! ... they say as they look at such so-called horrendous behavior. Fact is, the behavior has been around for a long, long time...but, remember, it has now happened on our home turf and the nation was looking. Gasp!!! Throwing objects intended to cause injury can never be condoned...never, but a mountain out of a molehill has now been created. But remember, all eyes are on lil ol' West Virginia. Where are these same people when a little girl is raped, when a mother/father is snuffed from life by domestic issues? Huh? Silence.
Anonymous
Fri Feb 5 2010 12:27
WOW? Seriously?

First, let me bend at the knee in reverence to all of the great things that exist because the students are enrolled at WVU. There wouldn't be a town there without you. The state of West Virginia wouldn't have anything without you. It's so easy to forget that. Do as you please because we are all so very grateful that you're, well, just there.

Second, you're right. What happened "back in the day" - all the chants, couch burnings, drunken fights and otherwise bad behavior relieves everyone today for any responsibility for their own actions. Carry on as you wish. But let's not forget that students used to be able to just walk up to the gate on gameday with their ID and PRT card and gain admission. Actions do have consequences.

Like it or not, students will bear the burden of this scrutiny for the simple fact that, after the guys wearing the uniforms on the court, you are the active, living face of WVU. Add to it the pre-organized nature of the chants and general vulgarity in the previous games, and the subsequent warnings that were ignored (becuase it was pitt after all). This was not about a coach being hit by whatever was thrown from whatever section of the stands (but think for a moment if that man or a player had suffered an actual lasting eye injury - I know it would have been his fault for being in the way). This is about a fan culture that cannot differentiate between rowdy and violent. The actions of one reflects on all. No one cares that YOU personally didn't throw trash or yell curses, they saw it and heard it on TV. Deny and justify all you want, the impression is: THIS IS WVU.

Anonymous
Fri Feb 5 2010 12:26
The most appropriate thing to do is to have who ever threw these objects or cursed own up to it and apologize to the University, Pitt and especially the Pitt coach that was struck in the face with supposedly with a coin …but I don’t think that will ever happen because these individuals are immature cowards and the only way they can present themselves is to act this way….
-Kevin B
Fri Feb 5 2010 12:18
Okay so i have a few issues with everything going on. First, the DA is fueling the fire by carrying this story as long as they have. Sure it brings awareness, but do we really need to have two full pages of opinions and letters to the editors on the subkject? I know we need to be heard but i've been hearing the same thing every day in every DA, but no plans on how to counteract whats goin on.

Secondly, maybe the fans wouldn't be so enraged if they didn't barricade them outside in the freezing cold for hours and hours. The system of admittance needs to be changed. One night I camped out all night and got in line at 5 AM to wait six hours in the cold for my third row seats. There were students behind me that waited in line half hour before the doors opened. They should be passing out the wrist bands as soon as the line starts and only give out a certain number. They should let us in earlier becuase its no different inside or outside and we would probably spend more money at the convience stores there while we wait. Every game they have a mad house cram in the middle door section and have another section outside. The games are for the students and they are being left in the cold. The sooner we get in, the less chance we will be as antsy and less chance we will be drinking and walking in.

Thirdly, its always the same people yelling out or causing problems. The people on the floor near the front of the student section needs to point kids out, give them a warning and if they persist, kick them out. I remember high school games in my hometown that the prinicpal had to pull kids for starting unruly chants and thats what we need. I'm not saying the security needs to be air tight, but i've been to almost every home game in the first four rows and i always see the same kids doing the same bad stuff. There are many students that do keep it clean and the bad apples are ruining the whole bushel.

1. Gotta give respect to get it. Treat our students better before the games and let the hardcore fans that wait for hours get in first, no more mad hatter rush.

2. Point out and kick out the unruly stduents, don't punish the whole fan section.

wow
Fri Feb 5 2010 11:57
This is absolutely ridiculous. First of all, it is a shame that such a great win and energetic crowd was overshadowed by the poor decisions of a few. Assistant Coach Harion of Pitt deserves an apology. But.....

Students have been chanting B-S- at college basketball games for decades at most of the country's top rated programs. Yes, (gasp) even at Duke. It does not make it excusable, but to say it doesn't happen is completely ignoring the truth. It was audible in 3 televised games alone on Wednesday night, including the Colorado fans yelling "F--- KU" during their OT loss with Kansas. Although this type of behavior is out of line, it is distasteful and obnoxious at best; and certainly not unique to the WVU student section.

Secondly, there is no excuse for throwing items onto the court; but let's not go overboard by generalizing an entire school, fanbase, and state for the actions of 3 people. When Coach Huggins interrupted the game and addressed the crowd it was absolutely warranted, but it was over ONE "Maniac Towel" and ONE plastic cup thrown onto the court. Whoever is responsible should be dealt with accordingly, but does the entire student body deserved to be chastised and degraded because 3 idiots could not handle their liquor? I think Bob Huggins put it best when he classified the actions as "stupid," but it hardly deserves the amount of press its receiving. Go ahead and YouTube the VT fans throwing trash on the floor last night after a bad call. Or what about Pitt's "silly tradition" of throwing raw fish on the court at WVU players in the late 1960s. Look it up chief, it happens.

Lastly, many holier than thou "fans" and alumni need to take a big step down from their high horse. Their "right" to enjoy the Mountaineer's successful football and basketball teams would not exist without the students and student athletes that make up West Virginia University. I find it quite ironic that the same 50 year-old men that share stories of tearing down the goal posts, inventing the EAT S--- PITT chant, and passing the actual Pitt punter around the stands at old Mountaineer Field think that our student body is a "disgrace." The only thing disgraceful is their misguided nostalgia and blatant hypocrisy. Oh, and for the record the coin or piece of ice that struck Pitts assistant coach came from behind the Pitt bench from the season ticket holders section, NOT THE STUDENT SECTION. Funny how the act that spurred a great deal of this attention did not come from a student, yet they are the ones being demonized. "BAN THE STUDENTS FROM THE GAMES!!!" haha child please....the students are the games.

Look no matter who is to blame, it was agreeably a disappointing night with a great win. But there is no excuse for local sportswriters to worsen the problem by including message board posts from opposing fans in their articles (see Daily Mail) and bashing the state and school for the actions of a few. "WVU fans are an embarrassment??" No, sir, you are an embarrassment for selling out to gain brownie points with the ESPN rumor mill "journalists" by throwing the very people that put food on your table under the bus. This state has enough PR problems (see inbred, toothless, redneck jokes) without them making a mountain out of a molehill. The DA, Daily Mail, Gazette write 3 articles a day using their papers as a forum to be the omnipresent voice of reason. I'd rather take moral advice from Scott Peterson than Mitch Vingle. Take a step back and put everything in perspective. Its a basketball game, with 18-22 year old kids, some people screamed curse words, a coach got hit by a piece of ice, we won. Uhhh thats pretty much it...

If I come across as hostile towards the alumni it is unintentional, I am one. I just can't stand some of the "fans" that continually badmouth our school, coaches, and students. I can't wait for the big game on Monday. Hopefully the libelous season ticket holders can keep their ice in their drinks this time around. Or maybe just their mouths shut afterwards....we'll see. Lets Go MOUNTAINEERS

Anonymous
Fri Feb 5 2010 11:56
"There is alot for the adminstration to learn and the first one that the university should learn is not to waste money on cameras because you can't throw someone out for cussing (FREEDOM OF SPEECH) but I understand you can for the throwing of objects and I hope they do throw those people out."

False. The University has the right to remove a student (or any individual) if they believe the person is acting in any way that would "interfere with others enjoyment of the event" (taken from WVU Student ticketing policy). This would absolutely include excessive use of profanity. Freedom of Speech is a great thing, but it is not an excuse for disorderly conduct and public nuisance for its own sake. Remember, our actions have consequences. Hopefully not too many people will have to learn the hard way, but I'm sure a few will try.

Anonymous
Fri Feb 5 2010 11:23
The best thing to do is to take away student seating...do this on a game by game basis. I have a problem with things thrown on the court and hearing the "F" bomb dropped on National TV. It's embarrassing! I am a WVU alumn and I bleed blue and gold. I didn't have a problem with the Karen Sypher chant...that's public knowledge and if Pitino can't take it, then maybe he shouldn't have subjected himself when he cheated...that's his fault.
I don't believe that it was a WVU student throwing the coin...I believe it was a PITT fan causing additional problems at the game!! Clean it up WVU students or else forfeit the priviledge of having the best seats in the house!!
Anonymous
Fri Feb 5 2010 10:48
Best idea I really think over all this is to make it VERY apparent before the game that if there is any BS like throwing things on the court or at the court that people in the stands HAVE to point out the culprits. Otherwise after the game the entire student section, or fan section, is held accountable and punished as a group accordingly. I don't like being a rat, but you can bet I will be pointing someone out in heartbeat that might cost me the ability to go to games in the future. If fans know they are going to get pointed out and will have the book throw at them, which it should be in terms of a Colosieum ban as well as having the legalities, this deplorable behavior will stop.
Anonymous
Fri Feb 5 2010 09:44
First thing to do is purge the leadership of the Maniacs. They're the ones who are directly responsible for the Karen Sypher charts.
Second thing to do is shut down the Maniacs. Pull their charter, just as you would if this were a fraternity that got caught with illegal beer in their house.
Third thing to do is actually punish someone who gets caught. Throw them out of the game and don't let them back in the rest of the season, perhaps a 3 game suspension, just like Ebanks got early in the season.
JB
Fri Feb 5 2010 09:28
As an alumnus and season ticket holder, I am disappointed in all fans and the university administration. While I agree whole-heartedly that throwing trash on the floor when a bad call is made is intolerable, I feel that part of the blame for the situation that has developed lies with fans who aren't in the student section. Perhaps if the rest of the fans in the stands would actively participate in cheering and not sit as if they are at a funeral new cheers/chants would develop that aren't as offensive and are more conducive to a family environment. As a student, I participated in many "Eat Sh*t Pitt" and "Huck the Fokies" chants because those were the only chants we had. In the end, every fan must take ownership for the actions of the crowd if we are going to change. Just sitting idle during the game and chastising the student section afterward for vigorously participating should not acceptable either. Finally, to address my disappointment in the university administration, reducing the number of students should NEVER be an option and to even consider this is contemptible. Over the years, the university has seemingly stopped viewing itself as an state funded institution of higher learning and started playing the role of a corporation that has to make a profit at every turn. Based on the trend that university officials have shown, if the number of students are reduced for even one game, greed will set in based on the change in the bottom line from selling those seats to paying fans instead of giving them to TUITION PAYING students and the push will be made to make the changes permanent. I understand that donors are needed to keep the athletic programs at their current level and that is why I have no problem donating before I am eligible for season tickets. But the university administration needs to remember that the university and its athletic programs are there to serve the student body first and donors second.
WVU005
Fri Feb 5 2010 09:19
This is why the country in general is a mess. Sounds dumb but our entertainment and sports reflect our society...that is a fact. People who saw who threw things and remained silent or did not take action to stop this behavior are the same people who think Jersey Shore is good entertainment. My suggestion is for fans TRUE FANS of OUR Mountaineers put a stop to throwing things on the floor. I can deal with the chants and language because I have been there done that. The rest though, those people need to be castrated with a wooden spoon!
Give me a break
Fri Feb 5 2010 09:13
It is funny how WVU officials and the mayor are acting like this is the first year this has ever happened. They have been trying for years to improve the image of fans. I remember in the late 90s a Miami football coach got hit in the head with a large metal trash container! Hardesty filled in the real PIT tailgating area and started implementing various plans that failed just as I perceive any new plans will. The problem has always been one or two idiot fans and there is no way to control that, with the exception of placing way more law enforcement in the crowd. Swearing? I don't like it either, but attend any sporting event in the nation, we did not start this, it happens everywhere. Plus, the quarter came from the Pitt fan section.
WVU ALUM!!!!!!
Fri Feb 5 2010 08:12
Who made the F-word a cuss word? HMMM the actually definition of the word is not bad. Actually the F-word is a very non-vulgar term by the definition and society made it bad for some reason. Throwing things are a different story and that is completely dumb but saying a word or saying a name of someone that had a public affair (they made the choice to have the affair) are things that the nit picking administration is going after. Just like taking the goal post after the VT game and act like no other college team does it.

There is alot for the adminstration to learn and the first one that the university should learn is not to waste money on cameras because you can't throw someone out for cussing (FREEDOM OF SPEECH) but I understand you can for the throwing of objects and I hope they do throw those people out.

I believe when they throw someone out for cussing the biggest lawsuit will come so if you throw out the wrong person don't be suprised if your getting into bigger problems. Cuss words are define by society and there are bigger things in the world to care about now then a could of people cussing.







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