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Morgantown doesn’t always respect student residents

Published: Thursday, October 8, 2009

Updated: Thursday, October 8, 2009 00:10

As students of a large University that sits directly in the middle of a city, we have a very different college experience than students who attend schools like Ohio University or Miami University.

At colleges such as these, the city in which the college is located has been built around it and is virtually an extension of the school.

This works in favor of the students of the college, as the city is often supportive and even accommodating to them.

With friends who attend each of these institutions, I often hear stories about how the students basically run the town because the city is aware that the students are the reason the city can function.

While this may not be the ideal situation, at least these cities have a respect for – or even an understanding with – the students. In Morgantown, this often seems to not be the case.

Obviously, we are in a different situation at West Virginia University, insofar as the city that the University is located in is much larger and diverse than those mentioned above.

The size of our University guarantees that students have a profound effect on the city and its economy.

Because of WVU, Morgantown has basically been recession-proof throughout the recent economic downturn.
Despite all of the advantages that students bring to the city, we are often treated as second-class citizens who are targets to be taken advantage of.

One such attempt by the city was when it tried to establish a fee to enter businesses located in the downtown area of the city last year.

This 75 cent fee would have been charged to anyone entering those businesses after 10 p.m. until the early morning hours on weekends.

This fee obviously targeted the student population of the city, as the students make up the overwhelming majority of patrons who visit these businesses during that time. Who else goes to Jimmy Johns or D.P. Dough at midnight other than students who have been out at the bars?

Fortunately, this fee was voted down because business owners worried that their businesses would suffer with such a fee.

Even worse, the city takes an action which will seemingly help students when it only drains from our pockets.

The city enacts such policies time and time again, for one reason and one reason only – it can.

The majority of students at this University are not aware of their eligibility to vote after establishing residency in Morgantown (this includes dorms), and this is an advantage for the city.

College students are also notoriously difficult to organize, which makes it even harder to fight these actions taken by the city.

Students are a driving force in the economy of this city and deserve as much respect as any homeowner or any other voter within its limits.

Whether or not everyone likes having us around, we are here to stay.

Students and the city need to learn to work together, not fight each other.

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17 comments

Anonymous
Wed May 5 2010 15:13
Until the students organize, it will only get worse. Morgantown is set up to feed off the students like. Students must organize! And vote against the incumbent legislators and city council members!

See below for the definition of "cop" and see if it doesn't remind you of the morgantown p.d.

The cop is a phenomenon, unto himself. He is a paranoiac. He is a megalomaniac. He can be a sadist. He can be vicious and cruel. He can be nice and sweet, especially if he wants something. He can break the laws that he pretends to be enforcing, with impunity. He is very sensitive to being called names, and tends to react the only way he knows how. He is armed to the teeth, with clubs, chemicals, gases, firearms, and the most frightening weapon of all, righteous indignation. He tends to be stupid, and uneducated, and very aware of his shortcomings, although he doesn't appreciate people's comments on them. He travels in packs or gangs, and feels a certain degree of security when he is with his own kind. His word is taken without question in all courts, and he relies on this.

Anonymous
Thu Mar 4 2010 10:25
Without we the students (drunk or not), Morgantown will shut down. Nuff said. We should be getting thank you's instead for the fun we bring to Motown. lol
Dave
Mon Oct 12 2009 12:35
Becky & David: You are failing to consider that its not all of the students that are the problem. Its really a very, very small percentage. How is it fair to tax students who are responsible to pay for those who are not responsible? Its not. Plain and simple. The tax that was proposed (and defeated) was just an attempt by the city to create a "situation" they could leverage for another revenue source. Why not tackle the root cause of the problem? If you start arresting people for public intoxication when they are vomitting/urinating in public after drinking and combine that with a policy at WVU where students get kicked out after say 3 violations (3 strikes and you're out, in fact, WVU might have a similar policy already, I'm not sure), you are going to (1) get rid of those acting irresponsibly and (2) send a message to everyone else to discourage this activity. More laws/taxes from the City is NOT the answer- rather enforcement of what is already on the books can be used to help the situation.
Becky
Fri Oct 9 2009 14:30
I'm a student AND a local, not a fake local a local. This is just becoming a hell hole. The students used to not be as bad. For those of you who think that you run this town, guess what you don't. The town was here before you, and it'll be here after you leave. If you keep having parties on Mondays until 3-4 AM then yeah people are going to get mad. I agree with Brian and you have to earn respect. It's disgusting how this town has changed. And it's a sad thing that I can't say this is the place where I grew up, because WVU had a party rep ten years ago. They were better at parting in fact, and now it's a joke. So if you can't stand to give respect, then well suffer because you aren't getting respect.
David
Fri Oct 9 2009 12:35
Mr Tegeder bases his entire argument, that the citizens of Morgantown treat students as second-class citizens and the students should "Rise Up" and take over the City, on a downtown late-night service fee that was never enacted. Maybe if Mr Tegeder could offer additional evidence his opinion would be better respected.

There is a valid argument that a substantial number of students do act like second-class citizens - those that choose to disrespect their neighbors (including fellow students). For evidence just head out into a neighborhood with student housing late on a Friday night and see how difficult it is to find students making a general racket/nuisance. Come back on Saturday morning to see their cans/cups/garbage strewn about their property and blowing down the street. Head downtown and watch the students progressively get trashed then proceed to vomit/urinate/trash their general surroundings as they make their way home.

As for the late-night fee that is mentioned in the article, it was to assist paying for the disproportionate amount of service required to provide safety downtown, specifically Thurs-Sat evenings. The astroturf-roots effort to defeat the fee was organized by downtown bar owners to protect their profits. These are the same bar owners who receive advance warning from the ABCC so they can shuttle out the underage drinkers at their bars before spot-checks and who underreport their sales so they underpay their B&O taxes which, in turn, results in reduced police protection downtown.

WVU Mom
Fri Oct 9 2009 10:35
Dave, I appreciate what you're saying - it's not the 60s - it's not Kent State, it's not Oakland...it's Morgantown. I do love it there and I can't help but feel for the residents (it's a parent thing). I like what you're saying though - keep it up. Thanks for the discussion. Ciao. "Mom"
Dave
Fri Oct 9 2009 10:21
I understand where you are coming from WVU mom. I too wish that the idiot students would stop acting like idiots or get out. I think every school has those kids though- while we burn couches after victories, Pitt students in Oakland riot and cause tens of thousands of dollars in property damage and draw the riot police to come out and break them up. Similar things at every other big school. Unfortunately, its a consequence of having a big school. Those kinds of people are every where. I think most students are just as annoyed with the "slobs" as everyone else is.

And, I think a good prospective on this is: do we condemn an entire community as criminals because a small part of the population chooses to act do illegal things? No.. same courtesy should be extended to students. I do too though hope that the small part of the students that give us all a bad name either get out or clean up. I think the city and the University need to hold THOSE students responsible for their actions, for sure. That would go a long way to making Morgantown a better place for everyone, students included, and giving WVU a better reputation.

WVU Mom
Fri Oct 9 2009 09:38
Dave, point well taken. Maybe it's just a parent's dream, but if this 5% could just clean up their act and be more respectful of their surroundings it would go a long way in the respect that would reciprocated. Again, I don't live in Morgantown - I visit from time to time to drop off, pick up and come to games. Please don't get me wrong, I love WVU and the student body. I'm "talking" like a parent when I call you all slobs - I call my own kids that when they act like SLOBS. I'm proud that my daughter goes to school there sometimes I can't turn off the "mom" thing. But really, it would be great if the student body as a whole could take a little more pride. It would give credibility and would improve the reputation of WVU. It's a great school and should be known for better things than partying and couch burning. Again, just speaking as parent. I apologize for my earlier harsh words...maybe I should've said it in a milder tone.
Dave
Fri Oct 9 2009 09:08
Actually, WVU mom, Its not anywhere near a significant amount of the student body that are the problem. I'd put an estimate at 5% cause the problems that cause the city to attack the entire student body. Truth is, without the other 95% of the student body, Morgantown wouldn't be half the city it is. You depend on us. Does something need to be done about the students that act like idiots? Absolutely! But taking action against EVERYONE because of the actions of the few is stupid. Continuing this will drive the good students out of WVU and you will just have more idiots coming in to take their place.
WVU Mom
Thu Oct 8 2009 20:43
Joel, I am not a resident of Morgantown. I don't even live in West Virginia. I'm an outsider looking in - that's all. While I agree that I shouldn't "generalize" you have to admit that there is a lack of pride among a great percentage of the student body when it comes to taking care of their own college town.
Joel
Thu Oct 8 2009 19:28
I think that rolling in here and calling students 20,000 "drunken slobs" and making any other generalized statement about how the entire student body is responsible for ruining your town is a load of horse puckey. We make your town livable, we bring you all the nice restaurants and stores that this place could never support on its own, and our university provides you with sports and cultural events that are beloved statewide. How do you respond? You make broad sweeping statements blaming all of us for the actions of a few people who drink too much and act stupidly. I am not a "drunken slob," and I am perfectly capable of "enjoying myself like a gentleman." We ARE treated like 2nd-class citizens. We pay your exorbitant parking fees. We provide your fatcat slumlords the ability to rule over this town while providing us with housing that is either overpriced and far away or below the level of human dignity. Maybe if some hostile Morgantown residents like those posting here got off of their self-righteous horses and approached students without hostility and condescension we might all get along a little better in the end. You can keep your negative, generalized comments about students to yourself, thank you very much.
Cindy
Thu Oct 8 2009 15:12
This town would be nothing without the students and all the money they bring into Morgantown. Yeah, we get drunk and do stupid things. But if it wasnt for us, this city would never survive in this recession we are in right now.
WVU Mom
Thu Oct 8 2009 14:59
I agree with Brian. I was in Morgantown the weekend of the Louisville basketball game. Sunday morning Morgantown looked like a hurricane hit. Honestly, trash, broken glass, crap all over the place. It was disgusting and embarrassing. Yes, the economy does depend on the student population. It does not give the student population cause to be careless, abusive, and destructive. You are all young, and it feels like a temporary place to you and you don't "own" it, but you all need to respect Morgantown and it's citizens. Try to envision the towns you're from and 20,000+ drunken slobs moving in and trashing the place, YOUR HOME included. See how that feels. You think you don't care, but you would be pissed and you wouldn't like those people. Have some respect and quit whining about getting treated like 2nd class citizens when you act like low life slobs.
Dace
Thu Oct 8 2009 09:48
I think the article and the commentors both make good points. Firstly, the city should not make laws that specifically target student for "fees" which are basically taxes. That is not fair to students. However, students also do many stupid things after drinking (urinating/vommitting in public, property destruction, distrubances, etc), although I would argue that its a very small percentage of students that act like idiots- most students are responsible and are given a bad name by the others.

I think both sides need work. Like or not, students are the predominant users of City businesses, and the city doesn't need to be taking advantage of students because of that fact. However, the students that act like idiots need to stop, or be kicked out of school. I think everyone using some common sense would solve a lot of the problems.

Scott
Thu Oct 8 2009 09:41
Perhaps if the student population would show a little more respect the city would reciprocate. I live in a residential area. There are 13 units in my townhouse complex. In 12 of the units there are Morgantown residents and in 1 unit there are students. As I walk past the other units to get the mail the yard in front of the unit that contains students is consistently littered with cigarette butts and beer cans. Also, about one a week I'm woken up by the students and their friends yelling in the parking lot at 3 - 4 AM. I've lived in Morgantown for many years and this has been my experience whenever there are students living in residential neighborhoods. This is obviously a generalization and I realize that not all students behave this way but it happens enough that in the eyes of many Morgantown residents the students have done very little to earn the respect of the city.
Lindsay
Thu Oct 8 2009 09:37
I agree with Brian, students need to show more respect in order to earn more respect. You can't buy your way out all your actions.
Brian
Thu Oct 8 2009 09:31
Try not vomiting & urinating on the streets, window breaking, fighting, stabbing, shooting and generally terrorizing the population each evening from Thursday through Saturday and we will see how you get treated. Learn to enjoy yourselves like ladies and gentlemen and the city wouldn't have to seek resources to deal with these issues. You are not treated like second-class citizens, the students who cause harm and exceed the tolerance of most civilized communities in the country are treated as they behave. That residency you speak of comes with responsibility. The respect you desire has to be earned not bought at the D.P. Dough.






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