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New seating plan doesn’t put interests of students first

By Zach Viglianco

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Published: Tuesday, November 10, 2009

Updated: Tuesday, November 10, 2009

Tuesday’s announcement of a new seating arrangement at the West Virginia University Coliseum was heralded with declarations it would "modernize" the facility and was described by a university official as a "win-win."

The director of the Mountaineer Maniacs, Cassie Werner, boldly stated, "It’s going to be a better overall experience."

Despite such glowing praise, I am not convinced.

The plan fixes a few minor flaws by introducing new major ones.

It has the potential to degrade, not improve, the raucous atmosphere that has given WVU basketball a noticeable homecourt advantage.

Those two alone would be bad enough, but they aren’t even the worst aspect of the new plan.

That distinction belongs to the plan’s spirit. At its heart, this plan represents a belittling and sacrifice of students’ interest in favor of the almighty dollar.

Make no mistake, the primary purpose of this plan was not to improve the atmosphere at the Coliseum.

Reducing the size of the student section and shifting our portion of the upper deck to the corner opens up some prime real estate to the paying public.

The addition of 200 season ticket holders will bring in significant revenue (to say nothing of the generous donations that accompany such purchases) as will the increased prices the University will be able to charge for the former student seats in the upper deck.

For the naive few who remain convinced of the purity of college athletics, let me introduce you to the most important concept in sports: money talks.

It probably took University administrators five nanoseconds to approve this seating arrangement.

I don’t care if the plan was drawn up by the Mountaineer Maniacs.

Ask yourself why it was announced so suddenly, with no build up and no opportunity for input and commentary from the students.

There is no test period, and since the lost seats are being allocated to season ticket holders, no opportunity to reverse the decision if it doesn’t work out.

The most logical conclusion – take it from someone who has slept in the Coliseum and spent countless hours standing in the crush of humanity that amasses outside it on game days – it’s not in our best interest.

The plan sounds great in theory – most plans do.

The stated purpose of the plan is to improve the experience for student fans while simultaneously improving the atmosphere in the Coliseum.

I support both of these goals. Sadly, this plan will do neither.

The atmosphere inside the Coliseum, particularly during big games, was fantastic.

You don’t have to take my word for it.

Take the testimony of former University of Pittsburgh basketball player Levon Kendall, who, in 2007, told The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, "Their fans, almost always, are the most ruthless ...
They have a really big student section. Everyone is right on top of you. If it’s not the toughest place to play in the Big East, it’s one of the toughest."

I have my doubts that any increase in intensity from the fans in the "Mountaineer Madhouse" can make up for, at a minimum, 500 fewer students (If, as I suspect, many students are discouraged from attending, that number could be even greater).

The fans sitting in the lower level were already raucous.

There is quite simply a physical limit to the amount of insanity (and associated noise) any individual can bring.

If anything, their level of intensity is going to decrease.

Since the Madhouse is now standing room only, fans will be forced to stand for the entire two hours during which the game will be played.

That’s not too bad, until you factor in the hour they will have to stand before tipoff and the three or more hours they will have been standing (often in inclement weather) outside the stadium, waiting and hoping that they are fortunate enough to get one of the coveted wristbands.

The limited supply will drive fanatics to show up even earlier. Standing for six, seven or more consecutive hours is taxing, even on college students (consider terrorists held at Guantanamo Bay can only be forced to stand for four consecutive hours at a time).

Formerly, the lower level was reinforced by the teeming mass of students who extended up to the ceiling behind them, whose voices rained down upon opponents from high and who were often quite rowdy themselves.

I can only imagine what it looked like to opposing players who stared up at the wall of gold-clad maniacs that consumed an entire side of the gym.

That support is now gone, as these students have been shunted aside to the corner.

The magnifying power of those 2,500 voices speaking as one will be diminished.

I haven’t even touched upon the chaos of gaining entrance to the Coliseum (it will only get worse).

None of the problems or inequities with that system have been addressed.

Running a Division I basketball program is not cheap. This plan will boost revenue.

If the students have to get the shaft, well, that’s a sacrifice they will need to make for the good of the University.

Now read the previous sentence aloud. Imagine using it in an argument defending this plan.

Then imagine yourself hanging your head in embarrassment, because that’s what anyone who tries it should do.

College athletics should be about the students – both those who play and those who watch.

It’s a shame the University is abandoning that principle.
 

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34 comments

objective observer
Sat Jan 16 2010 15:16
I am a current student who went to games under the old plan, and now under the new one. The new arrangement isn't bad, nor is the Madhouse itself, but puttin some season ticket holders behind them and sliding the rest of the students over is worse than it used to be.
Alum 01
Fri Nov 13 2009 13:40
I applaud this article also. The students are getting the shaft on this one. This is a public university and fundamentally about STUDENTS. Last time I checked, all of the purchased seats were not being filled either. In general, students are louder and more involved in the game then paying ticket holders. Nothing is worse then being at a WVU game trying to cheer on your team when some "I remember when" blue hair is complaining because people are standing in front of them. This is about money, anyone that does not see this is willfully blinded.
wvubcsbound
Fri Nov 13 2009 11:30
He said that if the students didn't show up that those seats would go to the pubic so they could make money off them. It is the students fault that these seats were taken if they would show up to ALL the home games and not just the big games this would not be a problem. Huggs warned the students this would happen and apparently they didn't care.
Dave
Thu Nov 12 2009 19:19
Current senior: My "glory days" at WVU were the past 5 years, and I missed only 10 or 15 home basketball games in those 5 years. I know a little bit about the situation with student seating. And the fact is, student attendance is traditionally no where near capacity. The 500 seats that the students lost were usually not filled anyhow. Why shouldn't they be given to people who will actually show up? Same thing with football. And yeah, students won't get the seats back, at least not this year, but so what? If students start showing up and overfilling the Coliseum, that would give the athletic department reason to give students more seats.
smer
Thu Nov 12 2009 17:02
i remember as a student showing up way early for basketball games but being unable to get a seat in the lower section because frats sent the frosh pledges to save seats or friends would claim a whole row - the standing will solve this (hopefully)

but don't compare upper level football to basketball - the conditions of our open air stadium and enclosed coliseum are completely different. ALL the voices in the coliseum matter because that giant clam shell focuses that roar down on the floor.

at Mountaineer field, you might as well put cardboard cut outs of students in the upper deck because you are so far removed from the action you might as well stay home (don't think that our success and ESPN have made it possible to enjoy the game from any bar in Morgantown?) and yelling and screaming has great impact on your voice the next morning but little impact on the play on the field. Moving the student to nosebleed in the coliseum is small apples compared to effectively removing them from the action at Mountaineer field and I can see why they would rather enjoy the game on a big screen downing a few beers in the warmth and "fire" of a bar than being relegated to observer at the game itself. All you have to do is read the stories on MSNSports about the old stadium to know the difference. (kidnap the Pitt punter?)

And before we blame all the students for apathy, when I was in school in the early 1980's, you were lucky to have two games televised the whole year. You went to the game because that was the only way to watch the game. Make it a better experience than the bars and they will come.

And God help us, on the other side sitting with the alums at the South Florida game last year was about as much fun as watching a Pirates game at PNC Park. How do you spell apathy?

sticking the students in nosebleed heaven at Milan plus television coverage has changed the complexion of students as spectators at games. Want the students to show up at football games? offer them incentives (basketball tickets?) or make the experience better than the bars (good luck with that one if you don't want to give up paying seats)

current senior
Thu Nov 12 2009 16:38
I love how a number of these commentors are former students harkening back to the "glory days". Everyone remebers their college experience fondly. Of course you think your era of student participation was best-- you were here then!

85 pharm alum: How could you know what it was like to wait outside (THE NIGHT BEFORE, not at a measly 7 AM the day off) for Gameday if you weren't participating in that experience? I was there. It was crazy intense. Was it as intense as your experience for UAB? I don't know. In fact, they were both probably intense. But I'm not a fair judge of which one was more or less.

Dave: As noted by the author, the problem with a "wait and see approach" is that since the seats have been allocated to season ticket holders, if it turns out to be bad, nothing can be done to fix it. The seats WILL NOT be given back to students. Is it theoretically impossible... no. But for all practical purposes, they are gone. The students can raise holy hell if things go poorly, and they won't get those seats back.

One final note:
Bob Huggins called out the students early last season. He also said publically, on the radio and to those in attendance, after both the Pitt and Lousiville games that the students had responded, that they had lived up to his challenge, that they were to be comended. Its easy to cite the examples that make your argument, and convenient to ignore those that weaken it.

Your name
Thu Nov 12 2009 11:51
So they want to have this whole big and they make it seem like it is going to be great for students, also that is going to be an intimidation factor when other teams come to play here when neither of those things are the case. First, the students, sure it will be great for the "chosen" few...aka the people that are let in early because of who they are, but not for the rest of us fans. I am so sick of waiting outside for hours in order to get the good seats on the floor only to have those people saving the entire section...Ok so now more people can fit....but how does being 5'2 help me see over the mass in front of me? Yes the sections has levels but, it still won't allow everyone to see the game that is put in there.
Now lets talk about the intimidation factor, I get having a huge group of screaming fans will be intimidating, but how will 3 empty rows (even if the game is full there will always be empty rows) be intimidating? Due to the new season seats, there will be a buffer zone between student seats and pay seats, but how will they keep students from sitting in them? They can not remove them because the concerts held there, but if they are still there and empty people will sit in them. So either they will have to have staff there to make sure no one sits in them, or cover them with tarps. Empty rows and blue tarps don't seem that intimidating to me.
Dave
Thu Nov 12 2009 10:05
I remember Huggins complaining all the time about students not showing up and insinuated more than once that seats would be taken away if they weren't being filled. Its not like students were never warned. While I think the Maniacs, as an organization, is a joke and shouldn't be given the power they have been given, this decision was driven by Huggins. He knows that having 1,000 students on the floor on top of the other team is going to make the Coliseum one of the premier atmospheres in college basketball. For those of you complaining that you'll have to stand the whole time- those in the lower section already do that! You just won't get that 2 minute break during the media time outs, big deal. Get over it.

No doubt there will be a few kinks the first few games, but after a month or two it will be accepted as the way it is and most will be satisfied.

Pharmacy School Alum '85
Wed Nov 11 2009 23:02
As an alum who had to fight for the lower level seats when I was in school here 1980-85, I am all for maintaining as many seats for students as they will fill. Unfortunately, the students today are not as hungry as we were during my years here. We arrived at 8am for our first ever televised game against UAB that wasn't aired until 7pm...and the student section was full! GameDay last year didn't compare to what we had going on! As a result of either a lack of hunger, or apathy, or being spoiled with a run of several good years...whatever the cause for poor student turnout (you cannot deny it because even Huggins himself has had to call you out on this issue)...you are not filling your seats. And if you think this is bad, it is just the start because your football seats will be next, and the students are far worse about not showing up for football than they are for basketball. If you are not going to fill up the seats, then take it like an adult when they are given to someone else for the good of the program. If you can fill them up...the take all you want I say.
Pharmacy School Alum '85
Wed Nov 11 2009 23:01
As an alum who had to fight for the lower level seats when I was in school here 1980-85, I am all for maintaining as many seats for students as they will fill. Unfortunately, the students today are not as hungry as we were during my years here. We arrived at 8am for our first ever televised game against UAB that wasn't aired until 7pm...and the student section was full! GameDay last year didn't compare to what we had going on! As a result of either a lack of hunger, or apathy, or being spoiled with a run of several good years...whatever the cause for poor student turnout (you cannot deny it because even Huggins himself has had to call you out on this issue)...you are not filling your seats. And if you think this is bad, it is just the start because your football seats will be next, and the students are far worse about not showing up for football than they are for basketball. If you are not going to fill up the seats, then take it like an adult when they are given to someone else for the good of the program. If you can fill them up...the take all you want I say.
Donte
Wed Nov 11 2009 19:07
I think what's best for everyone is to see what happens, who can really predict the outcome here? Either Mr. Viglianco here will eat crow here in a month or two, or the university will need to answer to a few complaints from students who care about their basketball program. My favorite part of this plan is the amount of students directly on the floor, and the fact that seats or standing room wont be able to be saved. This practice was out of control, and I was guilty of it myself at times.
Honestly, I think everyone knows that the only time the upper deck is significantly occupied is when we play upper lever, ranked teams, or a rival. This plan didn't shift them to the ceiling behind the hoop, just a couple sections over. Yes, for the big games that may be inconvenient, but in contrast, the fans downstairs will be too ridiculous for anyone to care what's goin on in the upper deck. I've spent my fair share of time letting players know how I felt about them and trying to help Huggins make referees better, so I know that the true noise and passion come from the lower seats.
So, let's give this plan a chance before we blast if, and after the season is in full swing and something seems fishy, we can speak up then. I, personally, trust Huggins reasoning, and I don't think he is one to intentionally screw the students for money. Students. remember, no student will be turned away from a basketball game regardless of how many come, do you know of any other school that does that?
Your name
Wed Nov 11 2009 16:33
The MOUNTAINEER MANIACS are a JOKE!!!!!!!!! You have to pay to be in the maniacs which is kinda stupid because I could do without the $1 shirt they give (wash them = fall apart). I still think they should start using other schools ideas and make the students pay an additional fee for athletics and if there are too many students applying for tickets then you go to a drawing for the tickets. ANYONE CAN BUY SEASON TICKETS!!!! So if you want a seat BUY ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your name
Wed Nov 11 2009 15:35
Whats this do to concert seating?
I PAID FOR MY TICKET
Wed Nov 11 2009 15:33
THESE TICKETS AREN'T FREE YOU PAY FOR THEM WITH YOUR TUITION

STOP CALLING THEM FREE

Your name
Wed Nov 11 2009 15:14
you need to fill the seats or lose them....quit your belly aching about standing or where the student section got moved to. If the students would fill them every game then it probably wouldn't be an issue, but they don't. Just like for football, if the students can't show up and support their team then they need to lose a couple sections there also. Its time to grow up and show some support!
BJ
Wed Nov 11 2009 13:45
Good article. Poor decision.

I would like to hear something from the Student Body President... Or at least from Ronny Chang... he's not afraid to complain...

AlumVB
Wed Nov 11 2009 13:43
You make it sound like the plan is bad simply because the program stands to increase revenues. Earth to DA, that's a good thing for a program trying to make the leap from good to elite. Excuse me if im not too distressed that students have to stand for a few hours for their free tickets to see a top 10 program. Toughen up, damn.
frank
Wed Nov 11 2009 13:21
Yeah, lets listen to devin and follow every order and decision blindly without question. I'm sure wvu is so great they always make the right choice. We're crazy to think other wise.

Olympic sports? I'm a huge bobsled fan.

devin
Wed Nov 11 2009 12:49
The beauty of this is the fact that your opinion doesn't matter. This is the plan. This is the way it is going to be. Complaining will do nothing. Let's just get on the bandwagon and embrace it. Let's get some wins and contribute to the game and the program, rather than detract from it.
Your name
Wed Nov 11 2009 12:43
Any student is welcome to participate in the Maniac Pride Point program which allows early entry for men's basketball games. I'm proud our director takes this seriously and EARNS the right to enter early. Too bad those of you complaining don't support Olympic Sports... true fans?






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