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Lack of funding keeps WVU ski team from Nationals

Published: Wednesday, March 3, 2010

Updated: Wednesday, March 3, 2010

The West Virginia University ski team has qualified for the national competition of the United States Collegiate Ski & Snowboard Association this week in Sunday River, Maine.

There is one problem: the team does not have enough money to attend.

The Sports Club Federation National Fund gives the team $750, which isn’t enough to cover two racers.

The entry fee is $380 per skier plus travel expenses.

"I realize this is a club sport , and it’s not affiliated with the athletic department, but for skiing, it is very competitive," said WVU ski team Vice President Bryan Church. "Most of the schools that have collegiate skiing are in the organization that we are in."

Some of the universities within the Allegheny Collegiate Ski Conference, which are traveling to Nationals, are Virginia Tech, Penn State, Navy and Fairfield.

"It is a very competitive level, so to have us qualify for a national competition is pretty prestigious," Church said. "Not being able to go is disappointing, especially when your school doesn’t give you more than $750."

West Virginia ski team has done fundraising throughout the season, so most of its fundraising wells are "dried up."

The team has to pay to register racers for the regular season competition along with hotel fees, but the members of the team have to come up with lift ticket money for each race, which can be expensive depending on where it races.

The team also carpools to races and pays for gas to get there.

"There needs to be more funding because (the sport) is definitely underfunded," Church said. "Out-of-pocket expenses are huge for the sport, and the team just does not get enough money to be able to cover everything that they need for the season."

The team received $3,600 from the SCF for the season, which was more than it received last year due to the increase in budgets.

The funding is still only about 10 percent of what they spend overall in one year, Church said.

"This year we had a race near Buffalo, N.Y., in Hornell. We also had races in Poconos, Pa., which is five hours away, so everything gets pretty pricey," Church said.

Despite qualifying for the National competition, the team is disappointed it is unable to make the trip due to financial problems.

"We’ve kind of gotten used this situation of not having the money that we need to go," Church said. "It’s pretty disappointing. You work hard, and you get to a certain level in your sport, and you can’t compete, because it’s not a golden sport, because you don’t have a revenue sport."

Church ran for the athletic council on the Student Government Association last year to try to help club sports raise money.

When asked about the SGA elections that occurred last week and if they would have an impact on club sports funding for next year, Church said he is unsure because the SGA is "very limited in what it can do."

He said it is all up to what the school wants to do. If it doesn’t want to give the team money, then it’s not going to, according to Church.

"What the student government wants isn’t going to change anything," he said. "It’s nice to have that support, but in the long run, instead of student representatives, it’s going to take a huge number of the student body petitioning to get more funding.

"It’s a long process. There are so many different issues; it would be nice to get one of the issues taken care of. If the rugby team gets a new facility or something, that would be a step forward."

The ski team finished second overall in the Allegheny Collegiate Ski Conference including a regionals appearance last week.

The team’s three seniors, which include Church, will not get an opportunity to compete at nationals.

"We’re disappointed about that," Church said. "We’re now out of eligibility."

The ski team did make Nationals two years ago and was able to get enough money to go, but Church said it still did not get a lot of money then either.

The Mountaineers finished 13th in the nation two year’s ago.

"It’s a lack of respect for the club sports, because we don’t bring in money. We’re still out there carrying the gold and blue banner, but since we’re not rolling in the checks and sponsors, we’re not getting any money," Church said.

"It’s a big deal for these student-athletes who don’t get to compete. We have to follow the same rules for eligibility that the NCAA follows, but we just don’t get the same credit that the bigger sports do."
 

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25 comments

Anonymous
Mon Mar 29 2010 13:35
Skiing is an expensive sport/hobby. No doubt, all of these skiers have had years paying for lift tickets, transportation, lodging costs since they started. I find it not credible that their folks could not come up with a few bucks for nationals. Heck, I remember my folks forking over just a $1,000 for me to play club volleyball, plus pay for the uniforms, transportation and lodging. Eh... not sure a lack of funding for something that is inherently expensive to begin with caused the team to not be able to travel to nationals?
Tomás
Wed Mar 24 2010 16:52
skiskiski, when I have kids and they have a hobby they enjoy, guess what I'll do? PAY FOR IT MYSELF. What part of that do you guys not understand? it doesn't really surprise me that this country just passed the current health care bill considering the country is full of people that cannot understand the concept that it is WRONG to take money from others for your own needs/wants.
Anonymous
Mon Mar 22 2010 23:56
AKA I’m somebody who does not believe in hitting up my family/friends/colleagues for money. My daughter’s fundraising was the result of her hard work. Sure, I shuttled her to/from fundraising events and assisted her while she was washing cars and when she sold candy, etc. in front of gas stations/grocery stores but I did not do the work for her. Unlike the ski team, her team always had a budget meeting PRIOR to the beginning of the season to lay out the budget and inform players how much it would cost to participate in the travel team program (to include Nationals). As my daughter entered high school, she attended school full-time, worked part-time, and participated in school AND travel team practices/games ALL WHILE FUNDRAISING so she could play. So no, I’m not going to cut club sports a break. A suggestion for the ski team and any other club sport – realize NOW that you will NOT get the funding you need from the university so figure out your budget and PLAN ACCORDINGLY. If you need fundraising ideas, search the web.
Anonymous
Sun Mar 21 2010 14:36
"I can't even begin to tell you how many weekends (over a ten-year period) I spent raising money by hosting car washes, selling raffle tickets/candy, etc in support of my daughter's high school and travel softball teams."

AKA you're someone's mom/dad who have colleagues/older adult friends who will throw you/your kid a bone when they know you are trying to raise money. Or that you can go out and do these things while your kid is in school or at practice.

Try doing that while managing practice, a job, and full time course load and then tell me how "easy" it is to find those funds. Cut club sports a break.

Anonymous
Wed Mar 17 2010 17:37
Collegiate club sports, much like high school sports and travel teams, are not funded by anyone other than the participants or through fundraising. I can't even begin to tell you how many weekends (over a ten-year period) I spent raising money by hosting car washes, selling raffle tickets/candy, etc in support of my daughter's high school and travel softball teams. If you want to compete, you'll need to come up the funds. Believe me, the contributions do not "dry up". You just need to work for them.
Skiskiski
Tue Mar 16 2010 17:21
"College should be about academics, if you want to pursue a hobby while you're at it, fantastic, just don't expect me to foot your entire bill. WVU's funding for the half of whatever budget a Club sport comes up with is more than fair."

Try 10% of a club sport's budget. Skiing and snowboarding are expensive.

"I honestly can't wait for all the supporters of blank check funding to club sports, to graduate and enter into the 'real world' where you can't just lobby/complain enough to receive someone else's money, but then again they could always just delay the fantasy by staying in academia or work for the government."

I honestly can't wait until you have kids who find something they love. Then maybe you'll understand.

Anonymous
Tue Mar 16 2010 12:27
boo hoo.
Anonymous
Tue Mar 16 2010 12:15
The ath dept. can't legally slip this team any money due to Title 9.
Anonymous
Fri Mar 12 2010 09:24
Congratulation to the West Virginia ski team for all the hard work and their accomplishment, I am sure it is a rush to qualify for nationals but the let down of not being able to attend, indescribable.
It is sad, the ignorance of people when it comes to the importance of club sports. The ski team making it to Nationals is just another marketing tool for West Virginia when it comes to attracting new students.
Tomás
Tue Mar 9 2010 16:22
I particularly enjoy all the "positive" comments to the Ski Club, as they're obviously all from either members of the Ski Club or members of some other Club that would directly benefit from this rent seeking.

College should be about academics, if you want to pursue a hobby while you're at it, fantastic, just don't expect me to foot your entire bill. WVU's funding for the half of whatever budget a Club sport comes up with is more than fair.

I honestly can't wait for all the supporters of blank check funding to club sports, to graduate and enter into the 'real world' where you can't just lobby/complain enough to receive someone else's money, but then again they could always just delay the fantasy by staying in academia or work for the government.

Ryan Post
Mon Mar 8 2010 23:11
These comments are really sad, and quite uneducated,but that's on par for many students at WVU.

WVU is in the process of setting up a foundation to receive funding for club sports.

Fundraising is very difficult in the entire region. Not impossible, but very difficult. Sure you can spend hours raising money, but don't forget, you also have to spend hours training for your sport. Also, WVU has some rules against who can sponsor. For example, while Nike and Coke are offering anything to club sports, a club cannot represent a competitor of them.

Yes, WVU is a business and businesses don't survive by wastefully spending, however, what kind of results is the Varsity Swim team showing? A club sport can get far more publicity for the school per $ spent than any varsity team. Additionally, don't forget that club sports are mostly managed by the students. That means the students are getting more life experience, so in the worst case, the school is funding alternative forms of education, and getting publicity as a bonus! Also, note that many students choose (or stay away from) WVU because of it's club sports. Some people take their sports more seriously than most varsity athletes. And it's not about the money, it's about the love of the sport.

Anonymous
Mon Mar 8 2010 22:07
Another ignorant comment... The difference here? You don't even have the potential to end up competing professionally for your house. You aren't paying to wear a logo which you should be allowed to use anyways after paying thousands in tuition. Oh, and let's not forget that most likely, you won't be painting your house gold and blue with the Flying WV on it to advertise for the University. Quit being ignorant and learn to have respect for the interests of your fellow Mountaineers.

retort FAIL. your response makes no sense. please try again.

Anonymous
Mon Mar 8 2010 18:49
"I'm involved in community service and excel at my work; maybe the University can kick in and defray some of my out-of-pocket expenses for my mortgage?! "

Another ignorant comment... The difference here? You don't even have the potential to end up competing professionally for your house. You aren't paying to wear a logo which you should be allowed to use anyways after paying thousands in tuition. Oh, and let's not forget that most likely, you won't be painting your house gold and blue with the Flying WV on it to advertise for the University. Quit being ignorant and learn to have respect for the interests of your fellow Mountaineers.

Anonymous
Mon Mar 8 2010 09:33
I'm involved in community service and excel at my work; maybe the University can kick in and defray some of my out-of-pocket expenses for my mortgage?!
Anonymous
Sun Mar 7 2010 21:47
the team DID qualify for nationals in the skier x devision, thank you. they were not able to go because of promised funds that were not given. the team worked hard for that achievement and for you to say they lied about it is a slap in the face. No one said they qualified for slalom or gs. NATIONALS is what they made it to, just not in either of those divisions.
Anonymous
Fri Mar 5 2010 16:22
I was under the impression that the WVU ski team did NOT qualify for nationals this year. To qualify for nationals a skier (or team) must finish in the top 2, which sadly they did not. The Men's team best finish was 7th in GS, 16th in Slalom (best indiviual finish was 6th), while the women finished in 13th overall. To say that WVU qualified yet couldn't go is poor fact checking by this journalist or a wanton fabrication - to what means could be speculated as an attempt to get more funding where none was needed. Yes, the club teams lack money and do community service work and fund-raising to try and secure more funds, but to say someone qualified for nationals when clearly they did not is disrespectful to the skiers and teams who did.

Race results from regionals can be found here:

live-timing.com/races.php?date=02/19/2010&state=PA

Anonymous
Fri Mar 5 2010 11:50
In reply to other comments:

1. The ski team couldn't have announced any sooner that they qualified for nationals because unlike a few other club sports ski team must qualify for nationals at the regional championships, one week before the event.

2. The ski team receives funding for many reasons. A) They are all over the east coast representing WVU in a positive way. Why would WVU fun the world of warcraft club when 1. it doesn't require anything but a computer 2. you aren't representing WVU in any positive manner and 3. there are rehab centers for world of warcraft. why fund an addiction? B) ski team does community service events throughout the year, cleaning up blue hole and tie dying tshirts with the kids at children's hospital are examples.

3. Fundraising occurs all year long. Selling raffle tickets, getting monetary donations from businesses, selling hot dogs outside of the lair, its not that it isn't happening, it just isn't enough. The members pay 250 for dues and over 400 additional dollars for lift tickets and practice fees. Also, if you want to have any type of uniform (jacket, tshirt, etc) you have to pay for it out of your own pocket. They aren't asking for the school to pay their way, just help defray some of their out of pocket costs.

To the people who left positive comments, thank you. Funding for ALL club sports is an issue not just for ski team.

Anonymous
Fri Mar 5 2010 09:56
Since when is working hard at something and becoming extremely good at it "nothing." It's not nothing. If it's nothing than there's a lot of money already being spent on all those other sports. People donate money to organizations like sports clubs because they respect talent, admire hard work and encourage it. If everyone had your attitude there wouldn't be any sports, orany arts or cultural institution, clubs that help young people help others, etc. It seems you don't have a lot of understanding about the world, and that YOU should grow up.
WVU Club Sports
Thu Mar 4 2010 00:18
"What an ignorant comment. What fantasy world does this guy live in where people get money for nothing? Of course the school doesn't pony up for your club sport because WVU, like every other institution of higher learning, is a business. Guess what happens when businesses shell out funds without a return...that business goes bankrupt. I realize your little ski club is a microcosm in regards to the funds that the school has, but when the World of Warcraft club learns that your club got "free money", they're going to piss and moan about why the school won't fund their trip to the nerd convention in Chicago. Get over yourself, no one gets something for nothing. And the notion that your fundraising wells are dried up is ridiculous. Get off your ass, go find some sponsors in the community or hold a carwash every damn day for a month. If the team really wanted to go, they would have found a way to make it happen. Quit bitching and grow up. Welcome to the real world, you child. "

Ignorance my ass. Funding for nothing? How is it nothing? It's called FUNDING for a reason jerk off, not an INVESTMENT. Of course everything is a business in this world, but the fact of the matter is that the ski team is still out there representing the university in places where WVU is not consistently seen. Wearing WVU gear to races helps market the university. So actually that funding could possibly see a return if we are in fact going to treat it as an investment. Also that little ski club is the third oldest remaining club sport at WVU behind Equestrian and Rugby so have a little respect for something that has survived off minimal support for so long. As for the World of Warcraft Club, they do not fall under the title of sports club and don't require the amount of funding a sport does. Finally, fund raising in Morgantown is actually pretty difficult when you factor in the over 300 student orgs that compete for sponsors in the city plus competition from high schools, local NPOs and the sort. So maybe you should get off your ass and do some legwork before you make accusations about club sports. At least club sports athletes put in the effort to work hard at something even though they know it's never going to be anywhere near fully-funded. Maybe you should try that type of dedication to something and try to gain some real perspective. Ass.

Anonymous
Wed Mar 3 2010 20:50
lmao, leaf collecting and world of warcraft.






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