In this episode, Geoff talks with Dr. Crystal Smith from the Equine Studies program at WVU. Dr. Smith is a Teaching Associate Professor in the Division of Animal and Nutritional Sciences with the Davis College of Agriculture, Natural Resources, and Design. She leads the Equine Studies minor and manages the horse unit at the JW Ruby Research Farm. They talk about horsemanship and the human-equine relationship in light of Educated, paying particular attention to chapter 11 (“Instinct”), in which Westover writes beautifully and somewhat problematically about horses.

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Thanks to our producers, Nick Kratsas and SeVohn Hunter, and to Sean Graham for the music you heard at the beginning and end of the episode.

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Geoffrey Hilsabeck is a Visiting Assistant Professor in the Department of English at West Virginia University and Community Outreach Fellow at the WVU Humanities Center.